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When I was already an adult, I
I dreamed I had a twin brother.

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And I woke up with this curiosity
like, "Oh, it's so cool to have a twin."

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Until it happened
an unthinkable thing.

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One thing I didn't believe
that could roll, if it hadn't rolled

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with me.

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I saw the two photos on my cell phone and was
shocked, because they were exactly the same. "No

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I can believe it.”

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"This guy is just like me."

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Everything took a turn and I didn't know
more what was happening.

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It's absolutely extraordinary. You know,
the type of experiment with which scientists

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dream, but could not
do it for ethics.

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I came to think that the
my life was a lie.

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It was like finding
a parallel life.

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A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY

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Do you believe in soap operas?

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{\an8}Because after that
your life will change.

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{\an8}Nobody knows
the pain we feel.

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I had no right to
change people's lives.

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It's not easy to wake up one day and discover
that your life was a lie.

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I really didn't know
which side of the mirror I was on.

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BOGOT�, COLUMBIA

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WANT TO JOIN US?
EMAIL | loschulosteam@gmail.com

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I am Jorge Bernal, I was born
in Bogota, on December 21, 1988.

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I worked in a company
of hydrocarbons and there I had a friend

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called Laura.

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One day Laura arrived and
said, "Hi, how are you?"

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"I saw you near my neighborhood." And I: "What
day have you seen me?" And she: "At the end of

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week." And I

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"But I wasn't at Kennedy."
She said, "No, seriously, I saw you."

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It all started with a barbecue
from a company where Yaneth and I had

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exit.

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They asked me to buy the meat. To Yaneth
told me, "Don't worry. My cousin's

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boyfriend has a butcher and he can help
us. He has very good meat and a

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good price." I said: "yeah".

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Then we entered the butcher's shop. And
William was there, preparing our

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request.

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So Laura stayed
shocked when she saw William.

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I saw the butcher who was the same
to my friend Jorge, with whom I worked.

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I was surprised. "Yaneth, I work
with him." I said "hi". I was trying

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greet the butcher.

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And he looked at me with a
very ugly face, super serious.

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And she walked away thinking it was me
and made me understand that I didn't want

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talk to her.

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I assumed that Jorge had stayed
embarrassed to greet me because I

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I recognized him working in a
listen. That's what stuck with me

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head.

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She continued to insist. �, it's true,
She said to me, "Are you ashamed of

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say that you
Do you work at a butcher's shop?"

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Then I said, "No, I wouldn't be ashamed,
but I don't work in a butcher's shop,

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So no, it's not me."

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Somehow I didn't give much
importance. I mean, I still don't

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believed.

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He mentioned to me that he had a brother
twin, but it was not an identical twin.

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Then I said to him: "Ah, so it was him
that I saw." But then he replied: "No

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I think I saw him,
because we don't look alike at all."

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I was bothering him for a long time
time with this twin brother story. And

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We also began to speculate. And somewhere
moment he said to me: "imagine if I have

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A lost brother is out there. A brother
that my father never told me existed."

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A while later, Yaneth
came to work at the company.

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I didn't greet her,
because I didn't know her. But sometimes I noticed that,

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when I arrived, she
kept looking at me.

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I saw Jorge at the company and said: "Ah,
My God!” Then I spoke to Laura: "Look,

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he looks a lot like William,
but it's definitely not William."

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I don't know if that stuck
in my head. I know that suddenly it was

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That made me come up with the idea. I knew
that William's birthday was in December.

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So I asked Laura: "Do you
Do you know when Jorge's birthday is?"

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As in the company we have a wall
of birthday people, I said: "Wait, what a

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This is going to be really easy." I stopped
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did in December.

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{\an8}HAPPY BIRTHDAY

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So I said, "Oh no, I think
There's something strange here."

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One day, Yaneth said to me:
"Listen, I have a picture of William in my

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cell phone. The one with the butcher. And if you
Show it to Jorge to see what he's up to

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say?"

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She arrived at my table, with her hands
back, and said to me, like cell phone

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in hand: "Remember what I told you, about the guy
from the butcher I thought was you?

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No, it really wasn't you. But
Are you ready to see your double?"

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"I'll show you the photo." He said:
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When he saw it, he was

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It was completely, wow
surprised.

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At the time, I was obviously surprised,
because it really was someone very similar

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with me, identical.

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He started asking his colleagues
who passed by: "How do I look in this photo?"

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And colleagues said: "Okay. Great."
"Ah, I'll ask someone else, I'll

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ask." "So, how is it?
that I was in this photo?"

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Then he said, "Do you realize that no one
can identify that he is not me."

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Then I spoke to a friend: "Come,
Look at this photo and tell me what you think."

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He looked and said, "What's wrong with you?
with other guys." And I: "No, the curious thing is

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that the one in the photo is not me." And he came back
analyzing it and told me this. "But

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It's just like you."

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I don't know, an hour passed, then I went downstairs
and I spoke to her, "Do you get the name

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him, to see if I can look for him
somewhere? Facebook, I don't know." She

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said, "Look like William Ca�as
Velasco." And then I started looking,

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analyze and started
looking photo by photo.

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I was silent,
looked at a photo

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{\an8}I analyzed him. I found some photos,
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first photo
and he was just like me.

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I mean, I was scared. And I felt
that there was something going on.

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{\an8}And when I thought I had already seen
everything and nothing worse could happen

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I found a photo that really changed
everything. The one that turned the story around

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all.

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A girl I had lunch with
in the office he wrote to me: "we were

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seeing photos of your boyfriend's cousin
and he's just like Jorginho." I

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said, "Isn't it?" And I said: "Do you know what
funnier? is that William has a

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twin brother and looks nothing like him.
" And she said: "Jorginho too." And I:

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"Do you have a photo of Jorge with his brother
twin? I'll give you one of William with the

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his twin.?"

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When I saw the two photos there
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say that there are two pairs of brothers
twins and they are switched."

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Exchanged.

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It wasn't just a problem.

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- No, now there were two.
- There were two.

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The problem was well
bigger than we thought.

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 �. So I sent it to Laura saying:
"Laura, there are two pairs of twins, who

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have been exchanged."

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Oh, yes, I was in shock, it was something
very impressive. I couldn't

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believe in what I was seeing.

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Because there was someone there in that photo,
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So I looked at
photo and thinking, "Who is he?"

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And in one of the comments it said "brothers
inseparable." They used the word "brothers."

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I didn't understand, I was like:
"Oh, I don't know, there's something going on

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here. What is this? One world
parallel, I don't know, a multiverse, I don't

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I know." I was very,
but very confusing.

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It even crossed my mind, I don't know: "The
Is my life a sham or is there something

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going on here."

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Because I don't know who they are.
I was confused and in shock.

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And we started doing a series
of questions, of things that could give us

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evidence that they were brothers
twins. That they had been separated by

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some reason.

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So, of course, we started first
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But there were details that didn't match,
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in Santander. And that was what I
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Santander?"

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IS JORGE FROM SANTANDER?

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I THINK IT'S FROM BOGOT.

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HE IS SURE?

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And Laura also said to me: "Look, no,
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"Ah, we failed, didn't we?"

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- No
- So I asked my boyfriend:

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"Listen, do you know if they suddenly brought
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He said to me, "I think so. Wait,
I'll ask William."

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LA PAZ, SANTANDER, COLOMBIA

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I am William Ca�as Velasco.

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Yaneth frequently visited
the establishment, the butcher where I

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worked.

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I started to analyze and make myself
the same questions that Yaneth also asked me

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did. And we started investigating, because I
I always had the idea that I was born

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in Santander and that he had
grew up in Santander.

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But it turns out that when I was born
in Santander, they brought me to Bogot�.

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And I picked up the phone and called my aunt
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I was transferred here in Bogot�?"
Then she said to me: "I know, my son,

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they brought you to
Maternal and Child Hospital.”

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Yaneth got the information from the others
twins. Where were they born? They had

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born in Santander, but it happens
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in Santander, because they were born of seven
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sick and arrived exactly at the same time
hospital, the Mother and Child Hospital.

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When we found out about this, we
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definitely in the hospital.
There is not the slightest doubt."

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And then I went home. And Carlos
it was there. Carlos was watching TV. I

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I arrived.

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My name is Carlos Alberto Bernal
Castro and I are thirty-four years old.

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I was talking on the phone
when Jorge arrived from university and told me

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to turn off,
that he needed to talk to me.

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And as I know that Jorge is a little bit
a little, no. It's playful

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He likes to make fun, so I asked
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I remember saying, "What's up, Carlos?
Do you believe in soap operas?" And he me

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said, "What's wrong?"
So serious, in his own way.

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Then I: "Uh, what
was it?" Get straight to the point."

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"Do you believe in soap operas?" He said, "I,
No." I said, "I'll show you a

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thing and you tell me
What do you think about that?"

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Then I said: "What happened? George,
It doesn't bother me that I'm busy, talk."

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"Because after that the
Your life will change."

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I said laughing, you know? But deep down I
I was serious. I knew what was

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telling him.

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I opened my Facebook and started
showing William's profile.

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I showed the photos and Carlos held them
the face, you know? He laughed, he took

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jokingly and he said:
"The guy is just like you."

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I said, "What do you mean you have a lookalike.
Like this? Did our father have a

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another child on the outside?"

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Then I said, "Then wait for me to
I haven't shown the best photo yet."

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Then a photo appeared where he was
like that with another person, with another boy and

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That's when I went into shock.

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The moment he saw the
photo, he stopped laughing.

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He started asking me, "Where from
Did you take this off? Who are they?"

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This person, who was just like my brother,
was in a photo with a person who

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He was physically the same as me.

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And that's when the fun ended, it ended
the joke, I went to my room. There in my

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fourth, I began to wonder. Me
It gave me a lot, a lot of nostalgia. I started to

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cry.

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I went back to Jorge's room,
I hugged him and said I loved him very much.

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A gesture that was unusual for
my part in relation to him.

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I just spoke
so if he had been drinking.

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For the first time, I
I said I loved him, soberly.

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And he told me: "Leave it, leave it like that,
You're not going to investigate, stop, don't touch it."

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"Keep to yourself about this."

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Then I immediately deduced that if a person
this person had been changed

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it had been me.

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Because my brother physically resembles
like my sister, he looks like

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my mother and at the same time me
I was always different from them.

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Of course my biggest fear was thinking
that my family from Bogotá was going to

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reject.

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That they could say, "No, you're not
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There's nothing to do here."

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These were not easy questions to ask
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accept.

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Because it wasn't easy to face

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That wasn't the brother of who I thought
who was, not even the son of the person I most

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admired in the world.

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Deep down, he knew it would continue
investigating. I mean, he didn't want to,

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but I wanted to, you know, get to the bottom of this
subject and know what was going on.

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There was a moment when Laura and I
we thought: "What if this story ends in a

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tragic situation? I don't know if any of them
commit suicide, oh!" So think about it to

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people were terrible. Seriously, at what point
I got into this, I shouldn't have

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asked questions. Shouldn't
to have been involved in any of this.

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Because we didn't know what was going to happen
happen, we didn't know what reaction they would

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they would have it when they found out, when they saw each other.
The families! I also thought

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a lot in mothers.

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I told my husband, gossiping:
"Ah, just imagine what happened." And he

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said, "How dare you say
who exchanged them." I said, "Because here

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There are the proofs and the photos." And he
I was very insistent that I not do this, that

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something bad could happen. What
I could change people's lives and I

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didn't have
the right to do so.

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He was absolutely right, I know that,
but I didn't hear. I went ahead.

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After the second photo, I
I also decided to call Yaneth� 

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to ask for the phone number
of the boy who was identical to me.

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I remember very well that

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When the phone started ringing, I
I didn't even know how I was going to say it. O

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my heart was racing.

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Because I knew that on the other side there was
a person identical to me, but I didn't know

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How would he react and
what he would say.

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And I knew it was him.
I answered.

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I said, "What's up, man?
How are you?"

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When I heard his voice,
for a moment I felt that we were not equal.

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I felt like I was talking to
someone else who wasn't me.

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He spoke to me very calmly, like:
"What's up, man? I'm William,

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do you know? The butcher's guy.
They showed me the photos."

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And straight away I said to him: "Where
we can meet, because we are

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many, many coincidences that are
going on and I really wanted to see you to see

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what's going on."

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And I'm like, "Of course. Where do I see you? What are you?"
What do you think of the Church of Lourdes? Do you know where

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stay?" And he: "Yeah. I know, yes, I know
where it is." And I: "So, it could be today

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At night, like nine o'clock at night?"

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And he: "Yeah, maybe."

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And that's when he said that
I could at night, late at night.

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I emphasized and asked? "You will
alone?" He told me, "Yes, I will

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alone." And I'm like, "Ah, great. So I
I'm also going alone." I said that.

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Then I thought: "I'm going to call Carlos
and I will comment that I will meet with the

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William and suddenly the
Carlos is excited to go with me."

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I said: "What's up, Carlos? What are you doing?
I'm going to meet William today." I

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I remember that one of the things that Carlos
He said: "Look, brother, leave it alone."

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Then I already had
marked with William.

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He told me that, that he was going to meet
with one of them and if I wanted to go.

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I said: "No, no, I can't. I'm
working on my university thesis.

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I can't go."

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But I could. In fact,
I could, I just didn't want to go.

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{\an8}And he said to me: "No, I'm not going and you
I shouldn't go." And I said: "No, let's go,

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{\an8}nothing will happen. ""No, no, no,
I won't. I have things to do and that's it

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busy."

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When he decided to really meet
with them, I didn't want to, because

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I didn't want to come across a new
reality. I didn't want to face this

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situation. I had a lot
fear of being rejected.

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When he insisted he would find
with them, I obviously couldn't get involved

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in this decision, but I said that I
I trusted him, so he would be careful and me

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Keep informed, that's all.

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I am Wilber Ca�as Velasco, I was born
in Velez, Santander. I was raised in La Paz,

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with William. He used to
say we were twins.

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William worked at Kennedy. He
called me so I could come to

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Kennedy.
Said he needed me.

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I arrived at the butcher,
I spoke to him.

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Then he showed me a photo of
a guy identical to William.

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And there was another boy next to him.

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Just like me. And a girl.

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All I said to William was:
"William, you are my brother until death and

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nothing will change that."

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That's all I said to
William at that moment.

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Being a twin, in addition to physical appearance, is
having a true lookalike in your blood, in your

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way of thinking, in tastes. And
With Wilber it was never like that.

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We were always fighting. My parents
they always tried to dress us with

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same clothes, but no, there were no
similarity, because we never

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understood.

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But when we fought, inside
me, I felt like I want to have a person

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identical to me.

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I had the feeling that

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My twin should be the same.

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Jorge and I had tastes
different. We weren't much of a

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share.

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{\an8}He loved basketball, I love football. He
He likes hip hop and rap and I like rock.

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{\an8}So little by little we went
through very different paths.

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I called Wilber and said: "Wilber, I
I arranged a meeting with a guy who is

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identical to me."

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Then he answered me: "William, you are
my brother, until death, but I will not

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follow."

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Then I told him: "You
You may not go, but I will."

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When he saw me almost leaving, he
said, "No, wait, I'll go with you."

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"I worry about you going there alone,
with so much insecurity you have. It could be a

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frame."

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It could be a scam to rob you,
you never know. I am suspicious of

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these things.

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We left in a taxi,
towards Praça de Lourdes.

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Obviously all the way,
In the taxi, we talk about it.

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How it would be.
Who was I going to meet?

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All the way to Lourdes Church
It seemed like an eternity. It seemed a lot

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far away, because I was very
thoughtful, nervous, worried.

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And William didn't stop talking.
He looked like a parrot, he wouldn't shut up.

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I thought, "No, we don't know who we're going to
find. Are you going to find out who this guy is?"

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When I was walking to Lourdes, I
I found a great friend from the time

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university and
I spoke to him.

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So I said, "Man, listen, it happened
this. Will you accompany me there?" And I

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I started counting
Briefly the story.

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I don't think I've ever explained
this story as quickly as I explained it to him

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in three blocks.

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Well, he accompanied me.

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We arrived at Praça de Lourdes
and we were standing there, talking and I

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I will never forget what he said.
It was like, "Oh, I saw it. He's coming."

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"Look at you coming over there." And then we let go
a laugh, you know? And then I asked

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softly for him:
"Am I like that?"

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And he said, "Yeah, you're like that." "I
I'm walking like that?" And he said: "Of course,

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you're just the same."

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And I also realized that the
William was with his brother.

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William didn't arrive alone, because he
it was with Yaneth and Brayan, who is

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- his cousin.
- Somehow I was

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very surprised to see him.

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Then I said: "Ʌ you brought the other one."
I was referring to Wilber.

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And he said, "Yeah, and you didn't come either
alone." And then we started laughing.

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Look at this.

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William is lighter.

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- Yes, William is lighter.
- It's the cold.

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 �, it's the cold.

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- This is incredible. My God!
- Really incredible.

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Very incredible.

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 �.

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He looks like William when he's

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that he was

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- Yeah, look
- Yeah, today he cut his hair.

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- If it weren't for that
- I wore it long for a long time.

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 �?

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But I think if I hadn't
cut, it would be the same, right?

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Would you have a beard like that?

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When I saw this person who looked exactly the same
For me, I was speechless. I

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I said hello and we ended up not talking
a lot, it was just another, an exchange of emotions.

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The difference

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When I looked at Jorge, I blurted out
a laugh. I laughed a lot because he was

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just the same, just the same,
physically, to William.

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It was a laugh, a laugh,
just like Carlos. I won't do that

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never forget.

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Be serious. I see you
and it seems like I'm seeing my brother.

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They laugh the same!

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The only thing missing is the glasses. That's impressive.
I saw how similar he was to Carlos and

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That's what impressed me the most. You know,
because since we aren't seeing each other, we don't

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There's a 24-hour mirror to know how,
how he acts, how he gestures, how he moves his

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hands� No, I can't believe it.
Guys, this is impressive.

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On the other hand, I was twenty-five
years looking at Carlos. Then I knew

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any movement that Carlos made and I
I saw that he did it too. I don't know if

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It was better what happened or if you walk
down the street and suddenly see you

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That was what made me a little more
scared. Somehow it called me

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more attention than
see William himself.

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Oh, my God.

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You're still looking at him.

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The last missing piece has arrived
to fit in and to understand what was there

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happened.

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Because at a certain point William said:
"It's that when I was newborn,

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They brought me here to Bogot�."

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- They didn't bring you, William, they took you.
- We have the same blood

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but we are different.

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We laughed, you know? I remember that in that
At that moment William and I took a photo. And

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I remember Wilber told us:
"Now I want to meet mine." Some

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thing like that. And at some point they
They said: "Where is Carlos?" And me:

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"He's busy at home." Of course I
I wasn't going to say he was in really bad shape.

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And I got curious and said:
"I want to meet Carlos."

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Can we go?

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Jorge warned the
Carlos: "We're going there."

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I said, "What do you mean they're coming to
apartment? We didn't agree on anything

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this. I don't want to meet them,
I don't want to know about this matter."

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When suddenly
ring the bell.

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Then me: "Damn. They're here."

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Jorge knocked on the door and
Carlos didn't want to open it.

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- Let's go, let's go.
- And from inside he laughed and said:

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"No, I won't open it,
I won't open it."

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00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:19,531
Who will open then?
Huh? Open! Open!

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I didn't want to open the door, I
I didn't want to face reality.

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He continues laughing.
Oh my God!

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AMAZING. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

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What's up?

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When I met Carlos and saw him there� I
I saw Wilber's reflection, in the way he

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laughs. As he held his head like that,
surprised by what was happening.

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You are very much the same.

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I was going to bring a camera.
I'll go get it.

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For the first time I was impacted. I
I have a brother just like me. It was like

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look at myself in the mirror.

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Then there was a bit of laughter,
of jokes, of nervousness, of discomfort.

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You could even say happiness, right? Why
find someone who is physically the same

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to you, who is equal to you, who is
identical, it's curious. Even more so at age

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that we were, 25 years old.

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I felt cheated because I wasn't
raised with my brother. I was told that,

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that my brother was William and I
I discover, after 25 years, that a

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person who never had
seen was my twin brother?

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I was sad, because I would have liked
of being raised with him, with my brother, with

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my own brother Carlos. But also
to have been created with William� because

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William too, despite not being my brother,
He was raised with me, I love him

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I love like a brother.

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The men arrived.

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00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:23,613
Look at the handsome one. What's up, baby?

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I'm really beautiful. Sou
the most beautiful of us.

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Wilber, smile.

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00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,576
- What?
- What's up, brother?

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Beauty.

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00:30:32,747 --> 00:30:33,747
It's not that big either.

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After meeting again, we started
saying that we wanted to make public the

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story of our case that had
happened. And we thought it was time to

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look for a TV station that was
interested in recording with

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people. And we ended up recording
at Caracol, on the Seventh Day. And that was the

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first story that came out on television
telling our story.

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SEVENTH DAY

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{\an8}Without a doubt, it was one of the most
unforgettable stories that we tell on the Seventh Day.

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{\an8}At some point, in this nursery
of newborns, from the Maternity Hospital

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{\an8}Children, were delivered, in a
accidental� My name is Juan Guillermo

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{\an8}Market, I'm a journalist. I'm a reporter
who always looks for different stories,

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{\an8}chronicles, human stories,
of investigation and I always end up involved in

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reunion stories.

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I remember
like it was yesterday.

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The producer and director of the program
arrived and said, "Juan, there's a

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story of two pairs of twins,
that were exchanged at birth and that

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met twenty
and five years later."

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00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:46,821
Well, this was happening in the country
of magical realism, but in this case you can

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say that reality
surpassed fiction.

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{\an8}Two pairs of identical twins
share an incredible story and,

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{\an8}perhaps, unprecedented. One brother from each
The pair ended up going home with their family

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{\an8}wrong.

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{\an8}Everyone was in the same hospital. Were
exchanged like that and these guys were

430
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,383
{\an8}although together. That's where
our story begins.

431
00:32:08,051 --> 00:32:10,720
- Hey how's it going?
- Hey! Welcome!

432
00:32:10,803 --> 00:32:11,762
Hi, Gigi.

433
00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:14,432
- Hi. Thank you very much. So, Jorge.
- Carlos.

434
00:32:14,515 --> 00:32:16,684
Oh, Carlos.
Look, we're already off to a bad start.

435
00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:23,149
{\an8}When I saw a photo of him, with his brother,
the guy was just like my brother.

436
00:32:25,902 --> 00:32:31,199
Just like the auditorium, I also started
laughing when I saw Wilber's photo, from

437
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:32,367
my twin brother.

438
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:36,371
But at that time he stopped
laughing when he saw the photo.

439
00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:40,249
{\an8}- It stopped being funny.
- You two are already used to this,

440
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:44,712
{\an8}huh? The two of glasses were created
together like twin brothers, but they are not.

441
00:32:45,922 --> 00:32:48,383
{\an8}�, we are fraternal twins,
as we say here.

442
00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:50,843
{\an8}Like twins. Of course.
It's a beautiful mess.

443
00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:55,056
DECEMBER 1988.

444
00:32:57,850 --> 00:33:02,689
{\an8}We knew that two twins had been born
in Bogota, at the Maternal and Child Hospital, and

445
00:33:02,772 --> 00:33:07,485
the other two in V�lez hospital,
in Santander. What we did was look for the

446
00:33:07,568 --> 00:33:12,532
civil records and medical records. And
we found Luz Marina Castro's file,

447
00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:17,245
the mother of the Bogotian twins. It was difficult
unable to do so, because the hospital was in

448
00:33:17,453 --> 00:33:21,457
dissolution. The hospital was
closed. It was even in ruins.

449
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:27,255
What we identify in the medical history
was that they had been premature babies,

450
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:32,135
who were actually born seven months old. AND
we confirmed that the other pair, which Ana

451
00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:37,265
Delina, had given birth in the hospital
de V�lez, on the twenty-second of December, at ten

452
00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:38,349
hours of the night.

453
00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:54,782
It is possible to say that, in nineteen hundred
and eighty-eight, the distance between the location

454
00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:59,871
that they were born, where the twins
were born in Santander, and Bogot� could

455
00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:02,206
be 12 to 14 hours by road.

456
00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:05,418
V�LEZ REGIONAL HOSPITAL

457
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,005
One of the twins
de Santander was ill.

458
00:34:16,095 --> 00:34:20,391
On Saturday morning, it was eight in the morning,
when the doctor told me "Dona Delina, a

459
00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:21,934
One of the boys is sick."

460
00:34:22,643 --> 00:34:26,481
I said, "What's up with him,
doctor?" And he said, "The baby won't stop

461
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:28,191
crying and still hasn't evacuated."

462
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,860
"We have to send
the boy to Bogot�."

463
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:39,202
Then the doctor told me: "Here no one can
go with him." At the same time my mother

464
00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:41,537
arrived and he
sent the baby with her.

465
00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:57,386
The baby who was sick was
transferred by grandmother to Bogotá.

466
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:02,391
During the period in which he was
hospitalized, he was cared for by a

467
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:03,475
aunt.

468
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,863
And precisely on Sunday, my sister,
who lives in Bogot�, went to visit him.

469
00:35:18,908 --> 00:35:23,621
And then they handed the boy over to my sister. And
she sent him by my mother, again.

470
00:35:29,418 --> 00:35:35,925
She gives it to her grandmother and her grandmother takes it back,
after hospitalization, to Santander.

471
00:35:40,179 --> 00:35:44,433
They gave her the wrong baby. Good,
She didn't even realize it. Certainly, she doesn't

472
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,477
realized because they were
newborns

473
00:35:47,019 --> 00:35:52,358
She received the little baby, took
to Santander, he gave it to his mother and his mother also

474
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:54,735
she didn't realize
which was another baby.

475
00:35:57,697 --> 00:36:04,620
The baby who had been born in Bogota was
taken to Santander and baptized as

476
00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:06,998
Willian Ca�as Velasco.

477
00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:12,670
And on the other hand, the baby who had
born in Santander, he had been taken

478
00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:18,342
to Bogotá and left with that family,
in this city. And they had baptized him as

479
00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:19,927
Carlos Alberto Bernal.

480
00:36:27,351 --> 00:36:31,814
It's not easy to wake up one day and know
that your life was a lie.

481
00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:38,821
Feeling like you lived someone else's life
or that someone else lived what you should

482
00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:39,905
have lived.

483
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:50,583
What was the psychological impact on the brothers
twins whose lives were crossed and

484
00:36:50,666 --> 00:36:56,255
his brothers and who was legally
responsible for what had happened?

485
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:05,806
We carried out an initial analysis of the situation
and we observed that, in fact, there were some

486
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,017
questions to be answered.

487
00:37:09,268 --> 00:37:15,399
Because it's not just a psychological issue.
It's not just an emotional issue. It is also

488
00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:17,151
a legal issue.

489
00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:29,705
We are a reflection of our parents,
of the family environment, of our history.

490
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:36,837
And in that case, they were deprived,
against their will, and forced to inherit

491
00:37:36,921 --> 00:37:40,299
circumstances that
they were not theirs.

492
00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:51,560
birth of these children took place
in a healthcare establishment and should

493
00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:57,275
having taken the care required during childbirth,
In this case of twins, there should have been

494
00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:58,358
it was like that.

495
00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:02,405
REPUBLIC OF COLOMBIA
JUDICIARY POWER

496
00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:10,788
Perhaps the most important question we
what we did was to be able to discover what

497
00:38:10,871 --> 00:38:15,334
happened at the hospital. How
Did this baby swap happen?

498
00:38:19,422 --> 00:38:24,927
As it is a high hospital
complexity, many babies were born there.

499
00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:30,182
There was a lot of work. They arrived
many patients from all over the country.

500
00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:35,354
Sometimes we put two babies in one
crib or two babies in an incubator.

501
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:42,153
When twins are born, they are marked
"twin 1", "twin 2", with the parents' names.

502
00:38:42,236 --> 00:38:48,034
The baby, who must have gone to the pediatrics here
of Bogotá, according to medical history, is the

503
00:38:48,117 --> 00:38:49,117
twin 2.

504
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:57,543
The bracelet may have fallen off.
of some baby and they did not report it.

505
00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:07,386
I really don't know what could happen
happened with the twin exchange.

506
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:14,852
Part of what has been said here is that the exchange
It wasn't intentional. Apparently, there was

507
00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:18,314
some circumstance
external, an accident.

508
00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:26,614
From what I understand there was a baby who was born
sick, needed oxygen, and

509
00:39:26,697 --> 00:39:32,244
so this baby was taken
to pediatrics and the other stayed with his mother.

510
00:39:32,328 --> 00:39:38,125
The bracelet may have fallen off,
but the nurse, doctor or whoever is there has

511
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:44,548
what to say: "This baby's bracelet fell off
and we have two here, so who is who?" Se

512
00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:50,596
Had they done so, there would have been no exchange.
An exchange like this, on purpose, is not

513
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,307
I think it would have happened.
Never.

514
00:39:56,435 --> 00:40:01,690
In this large institution, how many
babies they had for four years?

515
00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:03,818
And how many times did this happen?

516
00:40:05,194 --> 00:40:08,447
How many people are in
same situation and don't know?

517
00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:19,959
We want to say, officially, that no
of those present were involved in this

518
00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:23,671
exchange. It happened and
unfortunately, it happened.

519
00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,300
You can't deny it
that happened at Materno.

520
00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:35,224
In this specific case, part of the problem
legal opinion of the case is that no one wanted to

521
00:40:35,307 --> 00:40:39,437
hold responsible. The entities
who responded to the process, all in one

522
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:44,233
one way or another, they said, "This has no
nothing to do with me. I have nothing to

523
00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:45,734
deal with this problem."

524
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:04,962
I think it was Christmas time, time
of parties. I didn't have much control. The

525
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:09,717
employees were a little distracted,
Because it's Christmas time, right?

526
00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:29,111
As a result of Juan's investigation
Gillermo, I realized that I didn't

527
00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:32,823
was born in Santander,
that I was born in Bogot�.

528
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:39,580
Well, that's when the exchange happened
and I was taken from Bogota to Santander.

529
00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:47,171
And that's where I grew up. In one place� 
where I shouldn't have grown up.

530
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,549
It was different.
I didn't recognize him.

531
00:41:51,634 --> 00:41:53,010
Why didn't they look alike?

532
00:41:54,470 --> 00:42:01,018
Well, I continued, I continued taking care
his until, until he grows up. And then

533
00:42:01,101 --> 00:42:06,899
discovered everything and I still
I take care of him. I still take care of him.

534
00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:13,864
So finally I
I asked about our parents.

535
00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:20,704
And then Jorge said: "Look, mom
passed away four, five years ago," he

536
00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:27,127
said. And also: "Dad never lived
with us, but he has also passed away."

537
00:42:29,421 --> 00:42:35,511
{\an8}Not having met my mother here
of Bogot� was difficult for me, it was quite,

538
00:42:35,594 --> 00:42:41,517
because I would really like to have received
from her a affection, a hug, because I

539
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,019
I feel like she was my blood.

540
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:51,694
The hardest thing was knowing that the person I
most admired in life, biologically,

541
00:42:51,777 --> 00:42:52,987
It wasn't my mother.

542
00:42:54,613 --> 00:43:00,286
May that human being, to whom you owe
everything that is, is not its mother, does not have its

543
00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:01,369
blood.

544
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:09,169
The emotional shock, the ego clash
too. Because it's not easy, for a moment

545
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:15,259
to another, everything you thought you
was, one way or another does not belong

546
00:43:15,342 --> 00:43:20,389
to you. I felt like I had stolen
a life, that he had stolen that he had

547
00:43:20,472 --> 00:43:22,891
stolen, including
happiness.

548
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:40,367
I closed myself in a, eh, in a world where
Only, only I lived, only I existed. And I tried,

549
00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:46,248
I tried to answer many, many
questions, many doubts. How would I have

550
00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:52,129
If I had grown up there,
what would have happened if mom had

551
00:43:52,212 --> 00:43:58,010
known them, as it would have been
your reaction to me. She would have accepted the

552
00:43:58,093 --> 00:43:59,093
{\an8}William?

553
00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:08,187
William and Carlos were deeply
psychologically affected by what was

554
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:13,233
happening. And Carlos, who had
grew up in Bogota, but was born in

555
00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:17,738
Santander, I didn't want to recognize
this rural origin that he had.

556
00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:27,873
The place where they were created is an area
rural, where historically there was a presence

557
00:44:27,956 --> 00:44:33,545
of armed groups, both guerrillas and
as paramilitaries, all financed by the

558
00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:34,755
drug trafficking.

559
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:38,967
Going to Santander was also very
complicated, because almost no one knew about the

560
00:44:39,051 --> 00:44:43,889
internal battle that I lived, so I could
give a smile to someone I don't

561
00:44:43,972 --> 00:44:48,560
knew. Or give someone a hug
that didn't inspire me any kind of affection.

562
00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:56,193
I didn't want to go to La Paz. I didn't want to visit
his mother. I didn't want to recognize her as

563
00:44:56,443 --> 00:44:58,153
biological mother.

564
00:45:01,031 --> 00:45:03,158
- Hi, Miss Anita, how are you?
- Welcome, little son. All good?

565
00:45:03,242 --> 00:45:05,035
- Welcome, son.
- Didn't I say I was coming?

566
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:10,332
When he first went
to Santander� first of all, he found

567
00:45:10,416 --> 00:45:15,713
very far. He didn't feel comfortable there.
Perhaps due to lack of intimacy with my

568
00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:21,510
other brothers, with my mother, with my father.
A very delicate situation, because

569
00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:27,224
for twenty-five years he thought
that his family, his mother and his father were

570
00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:33,021
here in Bogotá and when he discovered that he wasn't
well, this turned out to be well, well

571
00:45:33,105 --> 00:45:34,314
complicated.

572
00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:37,776
{\an8}CARMELO AND ANA DELINA
SANTANDER COUNTRY

573
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:42,239
He doesn't call me mom, but I
I understand. I understand it was created with

574
00:45:42,322 --> 00:45:44,992
another family. He doesn't
You're going to call me mom.

575
00:45:46,285 --> 00:45:50,289
And William, if his mother were
alive, it would be the same thing.

576
00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:52,833
I understand these things.

577
00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:06,013
He can accept things, he can
accept that my mother is his mother, but

578
00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:10,768
It's very difficult because he had a mother
here in Bogot� and he was the one who created it. And

579
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:15,397
when Dona Luz Marina passed away, he
He felt a lot, he felt the loss of his mother.

580
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,700
We all understand him, because mother
and father are not those who generate, but those who

581
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:33,207
create. So when you see another lady, even
being your real mother, it is difficult to

582
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:36,043
adapt and accept
these things.

583
00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:50,516
William felt a pain, a pain, almost
a mourning that was beginning to live, for

584
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:56,480
not having met his biological mother.
He suffered a lot because he said: "Well, the

585
00:46:56,563 --> 00:47:02,820
others� at least Carlos got to see his parents
and know who his biological parents are,

586
00:47:02,903 --> 00:47:05,405
my adoptive parents. But I don't."

587
00:47:07,616 --> 00:47:11,161
- I remember and I get emotional, you know?
- What do you have, William?

588
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:16,708
Nothing, I was just saying here that I
I'm the most affected in this whole story

589
00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:19,753
- No, don't think like that, it doesn't stay like that, doesn't it?
- It's difficult for me.

590
00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:25,759
I cry because I couldn't know
their parents, like my parents. That wasn't

591
00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:29,763
possible. But the things
God, they are like that and that's okay.

592
00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:35,727
For William it was very difficult, very,
because when they found out and he knew that

593
00:47:35,811 --> 00:47:41,567
real parents had passed away� 
I served the food and he didn't eat.

594
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:46,780
William was very sad to hear
who had grown up in a family that was not the

595
00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:51,743
yours. It's obvious that he started to remember
things and said, "Of course I can't

596
00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:55,914
I look like none of my brothers. Who
I don't belong to that family."

597
00:47:55,998 --> 00:48:00,252
Do you feel the impact of what was
this change in your life?

598
00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:04,631
I'm not crying because I feel
that I stopped being their brother. They are mine

599
00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:07,134
brothers, but it is one
confusion of feelings.

600
00:48:09,678 --> 00:48:15,017
I remember so much, that maybe it lasted
two or three days when I couldn't

601
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:20,397
no way to fall asleep. And also
It was difficult when the family, the people

602
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,027
close to me, they found out
and they arrived asking about the subject.

603
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:30,032
"You're not really Dona Ana's son
de Santander, do you have another mother?"

604
00:48:30,115 --> 00:48:34,578
The aunt, the aunt was the one who took it
the baby from the hospital and took it to Bogotá. For

605
00:48:34,661 --> 00:48:39,333
she was horrible, because of course she
thought, "It was my fault. I mean, I

606
00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:44,212
I took a baby that wasn't my sister's.
And this was all my fault." She began

607
00:48:44,296 --> 00:48:45,672
to feel very bad.

608
00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:52,262
My God, when she told me the news, I
I cried, I almost died crying, because

609
00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:57,851
I thought my William was going to leave me,
I thought he was going to leave. What

610
00:48:57,935 --> 00:48:59,269
was going to leave us.

611
00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:04,566
Look, Carlos, these are all my brothers.
But are your brothers too, if they are

612
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:07,486
- my brothers, they are your brothers too.
- Of course.

613
00:49:07,569 --> 00:49:09,404
Okay, man.

614
00:49:09,488 --> 00:49:11,990
When I found out what happened,
It was very hard, really hard.

615
00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:18,497
- Alcira, Wilber, Efra�n, Edgar and Ancelmo.
- Ancelmo.

616
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:25,462
I thought that suddenly I was going to lose him.
That he would leave, that he would not stay,

617
00:49:25,545 --> 00:49:31,301
that he was good, I had lost
my brother who, for me, was the most

618
00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:34,846
understanding,
affectionate and attached to me.

619
00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:40,727
They say he has another brother, as he should
be? I wondered if he could be

620
00:49:40,811 --> 00:49:46,191
a guy from the streets, or even
a marginal. Anyway, I thought about all of this.

621
00:49:46,274 --> 00:49:48,485
It's joy, tears of joy.

622
00:49:48,568 --> 00:49:49,568
Thanks.

623
00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:53,323
What a moving scene.

624
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,203
- Imagine, what is that?
- Jorginho, come here too, brother!

625
00:49:58,286 --> 00:50:03,709
Seeing that at that moment, for me, was
very difficult, because I didn't want to cause

626
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:09,006
nothing bad for anyone. It really was
so unexpected. The information arrived

627
00:50:09,089 --> 00:50:14,511
little by little, and it was something that happened
and I didn't want to come up with something that did

628
00:50:14,594 --> 00:50:19,725
harm to anyone. Then see William
so sad, his family are also people

629
00:50:19,808 --> 00:50:24,938
feeling guilty, you know? So I said
to Laura that we shouldn't have

630
00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,314
involved in this.

631
00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:30,902
Madam, I am aware that everything
This is exciting, but as you have

632
00:50:30,986 --> 00:50:32,237
faced this?

633
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:39,244
{\an8}For me, at the beginning it was very sad. �.
Knowing that I had raised the boy and

634
00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:43,540
{\an8}that he wasn't my son.

635
00:50:48,503 --> 00:50:52,507
Of all my children, the
He was dearest to me.

636
00:50:52,591 --> 00:50:58,513
Because he liked me a lot. He
He accompanied me, wherever I went, he went.

637
00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:06,063
And my mother ended up being very
sad, he started to cry. Then I said to

638
00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:11,359
her: "Mommy, don't cry, relax. You
You don't need to keep crying like that, no. Look,

639
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:16,698
won't you think that now that I
I'll prefer to stay with the other family."

640
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,537
"No, Mommy, I'm here. I will stay
here taking on what I have to do and

641
00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:25,540
let's work,
to move forward."

642
00:51:25,624 --> 00:51:29,878
"If I took care of you fifty
percent before, if I was paying attention, then

643
00:51:29,961 --> 00:51:34,216
now I'm going to double or triple
the care I always took for everyone

644
00:51:34,299 --> 00:51:35,299
you."

645
00:51:41,848 --> 00:51:43,266
What are you feeling?

646
00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:46,728
The heart is racing.
The heart is racing.

647
00:51:52,025 --> 00:51:57,656
When I met them, Anita
hugged me and she prayed for me. And I was,

648
00:51:57,739 --> 00:52:03,245
I was very calm, because I never
I missed my mother. Mine was wonderful.

649
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:13,588
Do you want to introduce Carlos,
Wilber?

650
00:52:13,672 --> 00:52:16,341
{\an8}Carlos, these are the
my parents, and yours too.

651
00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:33,316
When Carmelo hugged me, it was awesome.
For the first time in my life I felt the

652
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,901
which was a paternal hug.

653
00:52:35,527 --> 00:52:40,991
Carmelo was a man of almost one and ninety
tall, ex-military. It was difficult

654
00:52:41,074 --> 00:52:45,912
seeing such a strong person there,
falling apart emotionally for the first time

655
00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:47,122
once, for the son

656
00:52:56,464 --> 00:53:02,804
{\an8}May God bless you, dear son. What
God bless you, may I accompany you, my

657
00:53:02,888 --> 00:53:04,848
{\an8}dear and adored son.

658
00:53:10,312 --> 00:53:13,064
I was once asked
I missed having a father.

659
00:53:13,732 --> 00:53:17,110
I replied never, never
I missed what I never had.

660
00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:22,949
No? But the fact of feeling a hug
paternal, for me, was very new. It was a

661
00:53:23,033 --> 00:53:29,331
unprecedented sensation, it was a unique sensation,
until it took me 25 years to know what it was

662
00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:35,629
a fatherly hug. And that too me,
it really moved me. Many say that the mother

663
00:53:35,712 --> 00:53:42,010
It's just one, but the father is good, we know
how the saying ends. But for the first

664
00:53:42,093 --> 00:53:48,308
Once I felt a beautiful fatherly hug. And,
and for me it was spiritually it was very

665
00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:50,101
gratifying for me.

666
00:53:51,269 --> 00:53:53,813
{\an8}Don't cry,
It was God's desire, okay?

667
00:54:07,327 --> 00:54:12,123
Even though we are very different,
Since childhood and adolescence, he is my

668
00:54:12,207 --> 00:54:13,207
brother.

669
00:54:21,299 --> 00:54:27,389
That moment when I held my hand
William, I felt a charisma, you know, a

670
00:54:27,472 --> 00:54:33,979
good energy, so I found myself a little more
represented and I felt an instant click. I

671
00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:39,526
I felt that, in addition to discovering
the truth, I discovered my true self

672
00:54:39,609 --> 00:54:40,609
brother.

673
00:54:42,362 --> 00:54:46,741
We hugged goodbye and I said:
"I love you." And he also said that,

674
00:54:46,825 --> 00:54:48,410
first day we saw each other.

675
00:54:49,786 --> 00:54:55,959
I saw Carlos' reaction. Carlos,
Sometimes, there is a mask of a tough person,

676
00:54:56,042 --> 00:55:02,215
But I know that inside, sometimes, it's
a fragile person. And I realized how

677
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:07,470
he, somehow, was
falling apart, he was feeling bad.

678
00:55:07,554 --> 00:55:10,974
Ʌbecause he thought
that I was losing myself.

679
00:55:13,226 --> 00:55:18,148
It was the fear that suddenly knowing
like Jorge, that he wanted

680
00:55:18,231 --> 00:55:21,776
establish a relationship
and he never had it with me.

681
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:26,114
Due to our tastes, it is our
priorities, ours, ours, ours

682
00:55:26,197 --> 00:55:30,493
our passions. I compared myself to a boy
small when he has a toy and

683
00:55:30,577 --> 00:55:34,914
when you don't use it. Then someone comes and takes it away
of him. I didn't want it, I didn't want it

684
00:55:34,998 --> 00:55:39,419
losing my brother. I was afraid he
I would rather be with William than

685
00:55:39,502 --> 00:55:44,007
with me. For him to say to me, "You're not
plus my brother. I'm living this with the

686
00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:46,259
William and you
You can't replace him."

687
00:55:56,436 --> 00:55:57,979
Hey good afternoon.

688
00:55:58,063 --> 00:56:00,315
- So, how are you?
- Are you all right? Look, just the same.

689
00:56:00,398 --> 00:56:01,398
 �.

690
00:56:04,402 --> 00:56:05,862
Very similar.

691
00:56:05,945 --> 00:56:09,991
{\an8}- They're twins, for sure.
- You can go down.

692
00:56:11,034 --> 00:56:13,745
They always tried to make a cut
similar to my brother's, but we

693
00:56:13,828 --> 00:56:15,497
- it didn't look like it at all.
- Are you enjoying it?

694
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:17,582
It's looking cool.
 �, I liked this one.

695
00:56:18,124 --> 00:56:19,334
And you, Jorge?

696
00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:20,417
What?

697
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:22,587
They tried to make a
cut like Carlos?

698
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:24,005
Yes of course.

699
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:29,094
In fact, then my mother took
us people who were learning and

700
00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:34,224
they left us very bald,
it takes a while to get back to get a haircut

701
00:56:34,307 --> 00:56:35,307
new.

702
00:56:35,558 --> 00:56:39,562
When we grew up a little, each
one had a hairstyle, to differentiate,

703
00:56:39,646 --> 00:56:44,067
understand? To differentiate one from the other.
Each one showed their personality.

704
00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:47,153
But when we were children,
us� 

705
00:56:47,237 --> 00:56:50,073
{\an8}Did they cut the same? But you were
different. What? Are we similar or not?

706
00:56:50,156 --> 00:56:53,159
{\an8}Equal. They're the same.

707
00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,328
{\an8}- Face of one, snout of the other.
- Yes.

708
00:56:56,287 --> 00:57:00,375
William and I started walking
together, dressing alike. We started to

709
00:57:00,458 --> 00:57:05,338
do things that, with Carlos�If I had
told him, he would have said yes, but I

710
00:57:05,422 --> 00:57:09,259
didn't say, because Carlos was
very serious, so I didn't do it.

711
00:57:22,856 --> 00:57:24,607
In the original.

712
00:57:26,943 --> 00:57:30,613
Carlos started to get more serious
with me, to greet me a little more

713
00:57:30,697 --> 00:57:33,658
dry. Because he felt
bad, it was bad inside.

714
00:57:38,037 --> 00:57:43,126
I wanted him to feel better.
So I thought and analyzed. "What do I

715
00:57:43,334 --> 00:57:48,756
I can make him feel so much
better and that he understands that I really

716
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:54,095
I still love him, I love him very much."
Because he was still my brother.

717
00:58:17,577 --> 00:58:22,582
And nothing better than tattooing him
next to mom's tattoo.

718
00:58:22,665 --> 00:58:26,294
It was a space I had reserved
so I could tattoo my sister.

719
00:58:26,377 --> 00:58:33,218
But after what happened, I preferred
give this space to Carlos. For him to feel

720
00:58:33,968 --> 00:58:38,431
what did he do
part of my world.

721
00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:42,810
The moment he saw the tattoo, it was
when he understood and somehow, he

722
00:58:43,102 --> 00:58:48,399
changed his attitude. And I also feel that this
served so that he, in a certain way,

723
00:58:48,483 --> 00:58:49,609
accept William.

724
00:59:04,749 --> 00:59:10,838
When I met William, let's say
that there were a little differences. There was a

725
00:59:10,922 --> 00:59:13,925
little disagreement
on each side.

726
00:59:14,801 --> 00:59:19,180
Because basically I said
of what I didn't know. I didn't put myself in the role of the

727
00:59:19,264 --> 00:59:23,643
William, right? "No, he grew up in the city,
had privileges. If I had grown up in

728
00:59:23,726 --> 00:59:28,147
field, I wouldn't have made it." He also
said that growing up in the countryside would have been

729
00:59:28,231 --> 00:59:32,569
It's difficult, very difficult for me. I think
that this happened to both of them. With the

730
00:59:32,652 --> 00:59:37,323
{\an8}time, we learned to listen to each other
and to understand that each one grew up with their own

731
00:59:37,407 --> 00:59:41,411
{\an8}pros and cons. And currently
my relationship with him is very good. I am

732
00:59:41,494 --> 00:59:45,415
godfather of his son, we already
we travel together, alone. The relationship is

733
00:59:45,498 --> 00:59:50,420
very pleasant. Clearly with William
There is no biological or civil bond.

734
00:59:57,343 --> 00:59:58,511
Original

735
01:00:21,117 --> 01:00:23,202
I went to their house.

736
01:00:23,828 --> 01:00:27,498
{\an8}I went to the butcher, I went to the house
where Carlos and Jorge lived.

737
01:00:28,499 --> 01:00:33,630
And I began to understand, clearly,
that they belonged to two very

738
01:00:33,713 --> 01:00:35,423
different in Colombia.

739
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,764
A couple had been
created in Bogota.

740
01:00:43,556 --> 01:00:49,646
This city at the end of the 80s, when the exchange
of babies happened, it was a city

741
01:00:49,729 --> 01:00:51,147
difficult, violent.

742
01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:59,072
Bogota was one of the flanks of the war. It was,
perhaps, one of the darkest times that

743
01:00:59,155 --> 01:01:02,200
I remember that the capital
of the country lived.

744
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:15,088
A city that, of course, had easy
access to education, to health, but a city

745
01:01:15,171 --> 01:01:18,716
where everyone was
struggling day to day to eat.

746
01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:29,018
And that was the case with the twins from Bogot,
who lived at the time in a family nucleus,

747
01:01:29,102 --> 01:01:34,649
where a mother, head of the home, did this.
Go to work every day to

748
01:01:34,732 --> 01:01:39,445
support the family. These two
boys and an older sister.

749
01:01:41,781 --> 01:01:43,366
It was a very humble house.

750
01:01:44,492 --> 01:01:45,743
There were no luxuries.

751
01:01:46,411 --> 01:01:49,872
But yes, I always will
say there was a lot of love.

752
01:01:49,956 --> 01:01:55,211
My mother was known for saying, "I
I don't need any man to create

753
01:01:55,294 --> 01:02:00,258
them, I can do it alone. It was very
difficult, I had to work in services

754
01:02:00,341 --> 01:02:05,805
general. And I had to turn to you
don't go to bed hungry." She always said that.

755
01:02:07,515 --> 01:02:10,268
And she always cared
He always took care of us alone.

756
01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:12,687
He managed to raise his three children.

757
01:02:13,813 --> 01:02:18,234
Always with the mentality and attitude
that we had to study for

758
01:02:18,317 --> 01:02:20,111
being able to be someone in life.

759
01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:25,908
He who is the true one is the true one
feminism. Simply by example she

760
01:02:25,992 --> 01:02:29,370
managed to educate us. She
made us good people.

761
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:42,884
If after cleaning the houses, she had
take care of cars or wash clothes, to

762
01:02:43,676 --> 01:02:48,514
supply our
basic needs, she did.

763
01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:53,686
Even though we don't have a father by our side,
She tried to do the best for us.

764
01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:57,857
She was always very loving.

765
01:02:58,483 --> 01:02:59,483
Just love.

766
01:03:00,234 --> 01:03:07,074
Sometimes my mother, even though she doesn't have
nothing, she did� did favors, without having

767
01:03:07,366 --> 01:03:14,290
nothing, because she didn't wait
something in return. Often, she

768
01:03:14,373 --> 01:03:18,503
didn't receive anything in
exchange. Because she did

769
01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:21,713
It was bad.

770
01:03:25,301 --> 01:03:26,301
Cry

771
01:03:31,265 --> 01:03:34,060
She�she was very loving.

772
01:03:34,769 --> 01:03:39,273
That's why so many people liked her. When
I met William, I saw that William

773
01:03:39,357 --> 01:03:42,652
was the same, I mean, he
do this. Nowadays he does.

774
01:03:43,569 --> 01:03:48,449
Then too, from all this
what happened, I realized that it is a

775
01:03:48,533 --> 01:03:53,412
genetic bid. He is like her, because I
I didn't expect that somehow the

776
01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:54,789
William was the same.

777
01:03:55,331 --> 01:03:59,043
LUZ MARINA CASTRO
14071952 TO 9112009

778
01:04:01,629 --> 01:04:05,508
Society tells us that we are
different in appearance and behavior.

779
01:04:06,509 --> 01:04:10,346
But when we see two people
who look and act the same way, that

780
01:04:10,429 --> 01:04:13,641
challenges our beliefs
about how the world works.

781
01:04:13,724 --> 01:04:15,768
EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NANCY SEGAL

782
01:04:16,644 --> 01:04:18,563
Let's talk about twins.

783
01:04:20,523 --> 01:04:22,859
Twins call
pay attention wherever they go.

784
01:04:24,193 --> 01:04:29,657
{\an8}The story of the Colombian twins, for me,
It's more special than I've ever seen in all

785
01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:30,992
my career.

786
01:04:31,075 --> 01:04:35,955
I studied twins, raised apart,
and I studied twins switched at birth, but

787
01:04:36,038 --> 01:04:38,833
I've never come across one
double twin exchange.

788
01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:48,968
Identical twins are rare.

789
01:04:49,594 --> 01:04:54,557
Two more pairs born with one day
of difference, one hundred and sixty kilometers away

790
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:59,186
{\an8}away. One having traveled
to a better hospital, having ended up in a

791
01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:03,733
nursery for premature babies and end up being
exchanged with another identical twin

792
01:05:03,816 --> 01:05:08,863
absolutely extraordinary. You know,
the type of experiment with which scientists

793
01:05:08,946 --> 01:05:11,616
dream, but could not
do it for ethics.

794
01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:21,292
I don't know if you can call it an experiment,
to see what impact

795
01:05:21,375 --> 01:05:26,672
exchanged twins feel, how they develop
in the middle and how they face

796
01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:32,428
life, depending on the circumstances
in which they are living and their origin

797
01:05:32,511 --> 01:05:37,934
genetics. I can't call
of experiment because experiments always

798
01:05:38,017 --> 01:05:43,439
are controlled. And there's always one
hypothesis to be proven. Here there was a

799
01:05:43,522 --> 01:05:48,444
accident and then everything came
the development of the lives of all these

800
01:05:48,527 --> 01:05:52,073
people. And we saw how
each one faces life.

801
01:05:56,410 --> 01:06:02,083
We went to Bogot to study these twins.
It was very clear to me that Jorge and

802
01:06:02,166 --> 01:06:07,588
William combine very well in energy
of them. They are extroverts. Carlos and

803
01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:13,302
Wilber are a little more withdrawn, they
have similar interests from many, many

804
01:06:13,511 --> 01:06:18,849
shapes. So we can see that despite
of the two different environments - and look what

805
01:06:19,058 --> 01:06:24,647
were very different environments - both
pairs lined up really, really well.

806
01:06:26,565 --> 01:06:27,984
Have you ever played "tejo"?

807
01:06:28,067 --> 01:06:33,072
Yes, but not much. When we were
little played in the gym, but on a field

808
01:06:33,155 --> 01:06:37,118
big like this one, you know? Num
clay, right, brother? Speak up.

809
01:06:37,201 --> 01:06:40,329
Oh, we played,
but only once in a while.

810
01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:42,748
- In short, you don't know how to play.
- No.

811
01:06:43,958 --> 01:06:47,169
In Santander this is the sport
My brothers' favorite.

812
01:06:47,503 --> 01:06:50,548
And of course, whenever they
they play, they are champions there.

813
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:53,134
I'm going along to
learn something, but

814
01:06:53,217 --> 01:06:55,177
- What was it like?
- He cleaned up after I played.

815
01:06:55,261 --> 01:06:57,179
Ah, luck. That's it.

816
01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,765
You go, show what you know.

817
01:06:59,849 --> 01:07:01,767
Let's see if he's any good at it.

818
01:07:02,935 --> 01:07:03,936
- Ah!
- Good.

819
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,105
- That was good, right? Good.
- Yeah, cool, huh? �, very good. Good indeed.

820
01:07:06,188 --> 01:07:08,858
- Can you see that I practiced?
- Good, good, good.

821
01:07:08,941 --> 01:07:11,152
Let's skip the guy
from Santander now.

822
01:07:11,694 --> 01:07:13,404
- Calm down
- I'm from Santander, I'm going to launch

823
01:07:13,487 --> 01:07:15,406
just like my little brother
launch, want to see?

824
01:07:15,489 --> 01:07:17,366
- Let's play, come on.
- Carlos started.

825
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:18,617
- The blood is heavy.
- No.

826
01:07:18,701 --> 01:07:20,619
- It didn't.
- Very bad, look at him.

827
01:07:20,703 --> 01:07:22,705
Okay, look, let's play.

828
01:07:23,330 --> 01:07:25,458
- I'll show you how to play, huh?
- I want to see, I want to see, go there.

829
01:07:25,541 --> 01:07:27,710
I want to see it now, go there, have a look. How
What do you do, how do you do it? Show it to

830
01:07:27,793 --> 01:07:28,793
- Guys, go there.
- That's it, go

831
01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:29,794
I want to see if you can do it.

832
01:07:29,795 --> 01:07:31,630
- Aren't you the champion?
- Move your hand, let's go! Move your hand!

833
01:07:31,714 --> 01:07:33,883
- That's it, go, go. That's it, play!
- That's it, play!

834
01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:39,138
Didn't I say he would make it?

835
01:07:39,221 --> 01:07:40,221
Didn't I say it was good?
Look there!

836
01:07:40,222 --> 01:07:44,268
A curious thing when we
met is that the first question the

837
01:07:44,351 --> 01:07:48,689
we did it for each other, that's what we did
what it looked like and how it was different.

838
01:07:48,773 --> 01:07:51,275
Except, obviously,
the physical part.

839
01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:55,112
For example, in my case and Wilber's,
we are very organized,

840
01:07:55,196 --> 01:07:56,697
perfectionists with order.

841
01:07:57,573 --> 01:08:02,620
We are more serious, we are a little
but we were already more flirtatious.

842
01:08:02,703 --> 01:08:05,164
- Not so much now.
- More serious, more

843
01:08:05,247 --> 01:08:06,874
strict with the schedules.

844
01:08:19,929 --> 01:08:24,225
Jorge always talks about the day he
He bought clothes like William's.

845
01:08:24,809 --> 01:08:29,772
I even remember that Wilber said: I
I will imitate him. "Oh, brother, let's do it

846
01:08:29,855 --> 01:08:33,234
buy together. You
understand this, you are stylish."

847
01:08:33,818 --> 01:08:37,488
We went to a store nearby
to buy clothes. Then he said, "No, some

848
01:08:37,571 --> 01:08:41,575
coffee shoes." And I: "Coffee". I mocked him.
When I saw the salesman making fun of him, I

849
01:08:41,659 --> 01:08:45,746
said? "No, no, don't make fun of him, no. The
The only one who can make fun of him is me, because I

850
01:08:45,830 --> 01:08:48,916
I have the biological right
to make fun of. Look, respect."

851
01:08:51,001 --> 01:08:56,799
Well, in my case and Jorge's too, we
We are more sociable, more charismatic

852
01:08:56,882 --> 01:09:02,304
Oh, we always see things from the side
good. Regardless of the difficulties that

853
01:09:02,388 --> 01:09:05,891
appear, we face
with a positive attitude.

854
01:09:05,975 --> 01:09:09,520
We are a little more expressive with our
feelings. They are a little more

855
01:09:09,603 --> 01:09:10,603
seriously.

856
01:09:10,604 --> 01:09:12,231
We are both
much more reserved.

857
01:09:12,314 --> 01:09:15,651
Regarding emotions, we are more
reserved, more closed, very different

858
01:09:15,734 --> 01:09:16,734
of them.

859
01:09:19,029 --> 01:09:21,448
Without a doubt there is
a connection between twins.

860
01:09:22,032 --> 01:09:28,164
Identical twins have the same origin
genetics. They think alike, they reason alike,

861
01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:30,875
process information
in the same way.

862
01:09:32,084 --> 01:09:37,840
They react to the world and see things
in the same way. And when identical twins meet

863
01:09:37,923 --> 01:09:43,304
meet for the first time, it's very easy
and very natural for them to start a

864
01:09:43,387 --> 01:09:48,225
relationship with each other very quickly.
And we saw this with Jorge and

865
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:49,309
William.

866
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:54,190
And also Carlos and Wilber. It seemed
who lived together their whole lives and barely got together

867
01:09:54,273 --> 01:09:55,858
- knew.
- Wait, wait!

868
01:09:55,941 --> 01:09:57,443
Go, throw it, go!

869
01:09:58,527 --> 01:10:01,405
- Go, take it!
- Did it hurt there?

870
01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:02,781
I hurt.

871
01:10:02,865 --> 01:10:08,746
- Let's go, let's go!
- Take this, go! Go, go, go.

872
01:10:08,829 --> 01:10:10,122
- Huh!
- Huh!

873
01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:13,334
{\an8}- Wow.
- Here. Go! Go! Go!

874
01:10:14,168 --> 01:10:16,086
Want one more?
Or don't I book anymore?

875
01:10:16,378 --> 01:10:18,047
Send it here, okay. Oh, you were free.

876
01:10:19,089 --> 01:10:21,592
Go in, go in!
Don't worry, let's continue.

877
01:10:21,675 --> 01:10:23,385
- Let's go! No, no!
- Almost.

878
01:10:23,469 --> 01:10:24,469
Here!

879
01:10:25,721 --> 01:10:27,765
- No, no, no!
- Eh!

880
01:10:27,848 --> 01:10:29,934
- Good, Wilber! Did well!
- Go again!

881
01:10:30,017 --> 01:10:35,231
- It's the genes, it's the genes.
- Go! Go! Go!

882
01:10:35,314 --> 01:10:38,359
- Play it! Oops!
- Almost!

883
01:10:38,442 --> 01:10:45,032
But also, the environment where the person
develops and the opportunities that this

884
01:10:45,115 --> 01:10:52,164
person may have in life, they will also have
an impact. But genetics weigh a lot.

885
01:10:59,713 --> 01:11:04,760
Certainly, intelligence has
a very strong genetic component. But

886
01:11:04,843 --> 01:11:06,387
I need to have the opportunity.

887
01:11:10,182 --> 01:11:15,145
For all behaviors and all
visible and medical conditions, genes and

888
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:17,106
environment play a role.

889
01:11:17,815 --> 01:11:22,778
But genes play a very important role
more important than we anticipated.

890
01:11:22,861 --> 01:11:28,492
Jorge and William have a personality
very similar. Carlos and Wilber too

891
01:11:28,575 --> 01:11:33,247
similar in personality, habits,
interests, likes, etcetera� 

892
01:11:34,248 --> 01:11:40,629
But the environment in this case was also very
Of course, because it was extreme. You have two

893
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:44,550
brothers who studied and the
two others did not study.

894
01:11:52,933 --> 01:11:57,771
It took me about an hour to go
to school in the morning and back too

895
01:11:57,855 --> 01:11:59,064
it took another hour.

896
01:12:00,065 --> 01:12:05,237
We arrived from school and already had
work, I had chores to do around the house.

897
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:10,701
I had to go get firewood, I didn't have any
piping that took water to the house. A�

898
01:12:10,784 --> 01:12:14,621
I had to go to the pipe
closest to fetch water.

899
01:12:15,748 --> 01:12:21,211
And at night, with a tiny candle,
which we called a lamp, because we didn't

900
01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:25,591
I had electric lights in my house
Also, we used candles.

901
01:12:26,175 --> 01:12:33,265
From the 90s to the 2000s, all of that
It was dominated by the guerrillas.

902
01:12:39,772 --> 01:12:46,111
And then around the year two thousand, they
began to leave and the people began to enter

903
01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:47,696
paramilitaries too.

904
01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:54,745
At that time there were
illicit crops. There was coke.

905
01:12:55,412 --> 01:13:00,167
Our lives ended up forcing us
going to shave coke and work in the fields and then

906
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:03,170
we did it out of necessity
and not because I liked it.

907
01:13:12,721 --> 01:13:18,268
And inside I always said: This is not
For me, I want to leave. But I had to

908
01:13:18,352 --> 01:13:23,899
wait 17 years, until you can turn eighteen
years, to join the Army and be able

909
01:13:23,982 --> 01:13:24,982
leave.

910
01:13:30,197 --> 01:13:35,494
I had a brother who was also in the military.
He was older than me. And for one

911
01:13:35,577 --> 01:13:40,958
strength of destiny, he lost, lost
life when I was twenty-two.

912
01:13:45,003 --> 01:13:48,257
Oh, for me it was
everyone, it was very hard.

913
01:13:49,633 --> 01:13:55,055
At that time, William and I
our thoughts were of revenge.

914
01:13:55,139 --> 01:13:59,726
We used to say when we were kids, "I
I swear. When I'm 18, I'll join

915
01:13:59,810 --> 01:14:03,689
Army. And then we will avenge,
Let us avenge our brother's death."

916
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:08,318
When William told me he was going
do military service, I immediately thought

917
01:14:08,402 --> 01:14:12,531
that they would kill him too, because
as they had already killed Israel� 

918
01:14:12,614 --> 01:14:15,993
When William introduced himself,
my mother suffered a lot.

919
01:14:16,076 --> 01:14:21,039
He said, "Mommy, can I enlist?"
"Son, I don't say either yes or

920
01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:22,123
no."

921
01:14:23,083 --> 01:14:27,713
"I'm not saying either to go or to stay."
Because I worried that they would kill him

922
01:14:27,796 --> 01:14:31,884
too. "You decide." He said:
"Okay, mom, let me go."

923
01:14:32,885 --> 01:14:38,640
"I want to provide service. I want to have
my military certificate and when I leave, I

924
01:14:38,849 --> 01:14:40,100
I'm going to Bogota."

925
01:14:41,059 --> 01:14:45,522
When I was about four months old
There, I remember well that Wilber also

926
01:14:45,606 --> 01:14:46,564
arrived.

927
01:14:46,565 --> 01:14:51,904
When I saw him there in uniform, I kind of
I was jealous and in the afternoon I went to

928
01:14:51,987 --> 01:14:56,325
home. Then I told my father
and to my mother: "I'm going to enlist."

929
01:14:57,326 --> 01:15:02,623
And then we went south to Bolvar.
There things got complicated.

930
01:15:03,248 --> 01:15:07,211
But we ended up strengthening our
brotherhood, because when we were

931
01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:09,296
When we were little we used to fight a lot.

932
01:15:09,379 --> 01:15:14,092
But when we were there, maybe
because it was an area where the enemy

933
01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:18,889
I was present, I felt
closer and closer to my brother.

934
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:24,102
The time came when I couldn't
continue my military career and I had to

935
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:25,229
leave the Army.

936
01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:34,488
I arrived in Bogot, at a godmother's house
and she sold arepas. She taught me this

937
01:15:34,571 --> 01:15:39,243
recipe and then I learned. I started
working alongside her. I set up one

938
01:15:39,326 --> 01:15:43,247
stall on the street. And there I stayed
selling arepas on the street in Bogota.

939
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:48,627
And then another door ended up opening,
when a family gave me the opportunity

940
01:15:48,710 --> 01:15:50,295
working with meat.

941
01:15:53,507 --> 01:15:57,386
And after that, he encouraged Wilber.
What was he thinking about? He was

942
01:15:57,469 --> 01:16:01,640
thinking about opening the way so that later
Wilber came and whoever else wanted to come,

943
01:16:01,723 --> 01:16:03,767
but the others
brothers didn't want to.

944
01:16:05,686 --> 01:16:10,691
A person is born with a composition
genetics and with this genetic composition

945
01:16:10,774 --> 01:16:15,487
Maybe this person is more
impulsive to develop things.

946
01:16:16,321 --> 01:16:18,574
All good? All very well? You Felix!

947
01:16:18,657 --> 01:16:24,871
William, in fact, had not studied,
but he had momentum. And he went ahead to

948
01:16:24,955 --> 01:16:31,253
study, get a degree in Law
and a master's degree in Constitutional Law. He had the

949
01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:33,463
Same drive as brother Jorge.

950
01:16:34,464 --> 01:16:40,721
And knowing the story of my brothers
twins, who were already almost forming,

951
01:16:40,804 --> 01:16:47,019
I put this challenge in my life
and I said: "I want to graduate too."

952
01:16:47,894 --> 01:16:48,894
What's up, partner?

953
01:16:49,396 --> 01:16:54,192
What I saved from working
Don't listen, I paid for my own college.

954
01:16:57,237 --> 01:16:58,822
Speak up, my friend!
Everything ok, man?

955
01:16:58,905 --> 01:17:02,868
- All very well.
- He studied a lot, now he's a lawyer, he has

956
01:17:02,951 --> 01:17:05,495
a specialization,
He is a super motivated guy.

957
01:17:05,579 --> 01:17:08,206
It's agreed, my friend.

958
01:17:08,290 --> 01:17:10,959
- Yes, it's agreed, my friend.
- God bless you, thank you.

959
01:17:11,043 --> 01:17:12,502
- Goodbye.
- See you later.

960
01:17:14,004 --> 01:17:19,259
Of all the children my mother had,
that I grew up with, the only one that

961
01:17:19,343 --> 01:17:22,429
formed, which has a
diploma, so far, it's me.

962
01:17:26,892 --> 01:17:29,227
I trained as a lawyer.

963
01:17:30,145 --> 01:17:35,692
I also had the opportunity to do
a specialization in Constitutional Law and

964
01:17:35,776 --> 01:17:38,570
That's when I decided
return here to La Paz.

965
01:17:39,571 --> 01:17:43,533
The city elected me councilor
through popular vote.

966
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:46,953
WILLIAM CA�AS VELASCO PRESIDENT

967
01:17:49,206 --> 01:17:54,086
And from then on, I worked to help
many families from La Paz, who

968
01:17:54,211 --> 01:17:57,756
also want to grow in
life, just like I did.

969
01:18:09,768 --> 01:18:14,022
Professionally, I am an accountant
public sector, with a specialty in taxes. And

970
01:18:14,106 --> 01:18:16,358
I have some
additional courses.

971
01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:20,028
I work as deputy director
financial support of an association of

972
01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:21,070
class.

973
01:18:21,071 --> 01:18:25,909
In addition to working, I also like
a lot of sports. I play, I play a lot

974
01:18:25,992 --> 01:18:28,704
basketball, I do,
I do swimming and crossfit.

975
01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:39,881
My job now is to be a cutter
of meat. It's a job that I like,

976
01:18:39,965 --> 01:18:44,636
falls in love and I'm happy like this, where I
is working. My project is to have my

977
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:49,391
own business, be independent and follow
forward, as I have always done.

978
01:18:49,474 --> 01:18:50,474
With judgment.

979
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:01,611
We have to have an open mind
to understand and understand that any

980
01:19:01,695 --> 01:19:05,866
situation can happen, in an instant,
and can change a person's life.

981
01:19:09,077 --> 01:19:15,333
At that time, I thought I was "unique"
That there was no one like me and that I was

982
01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:20,964
better. But life showed me, and it was
with a slap, not just telling me no

983
01:19:21,047 --> 01:19:26,303
I'm unique, quite the opposite,
and brought one just like me, identical to

984
01:19:26,386 --> 01:19:29,431
me. So,
I also learned from this.

985
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:55,957
Now that a few years have passed, see
these beautiful relationships between Jorge and

986
01:19:56,041 --> 01:20:01,671
William, Carlos and Wilber,
It really makes me very satisfied.

987
01:20:01,755 --> 01:20:06,301
I feel good, what we did
It was cool and I don't regret it.

988
01:20:16,061 --> 01:20:17,479
Thank you, Ciro!

989
01:20:18,563 --> 01:20:19,731
- Is it around here?
- �. Here.

990
01:20:20,232 --> 01:20:22,275
Until next time.

991
01:20:28,698 --> 01:20:30,492
- Close the door.
- Let's go. Thanks, Ciro.

992
01:20:30,575 --> 01:20:32,285
- Miss Anita!
- Carlinhos, how are you?

993
01:20:32,536 --> 01:20:34,621
It was William who didn't want
talk, huh? You can fight with him.

994
01:20:34,704 --> 01:20:36,248
Hi, Carlinhos.

995
01:20:36,331 --> 01:20:37,457
- Hi, William! Give me a hug.
- Hi, mom.

996
01:20:37,541 --> 01:20:38,708
- How are you?
- Very good, mom.

997
01:20:38,792 --> 01:20:39,792
Hi, mommy!

998
01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:44,673
I learned that the four brothers,
mainly William and Carlos,

999
01:20:44,756 --> 01:20:49,094
were in shock when they discovered
what had happened. They were created in

1000
01:20:49,177 --> 01:20:51,555
homes, where no
should have been created.

1001
01:20:51,638 --> 01:20:53,557
How are you? All good?

1002
01:20:54,307 --> 01:20:57,394
- I'm fine.
- But the beautiful thing about these brothers is that

1003
01:20:57,477 --> 01:20:59,688
they all came together,
in a quartet.

1004
01:21:00,438 --> 01:21:02,983
They love each other
and we can learn from it.

1005
01:21:08,446 --> 01:21:13,368
And with great affection, this song is
for Dona Anita and for Dona Luz Marina, these

1006
01:21:13,451 --> 01:21:18,039
two dear mothers, who brought
four twins into the world. She says it like this.

1007
01:21:20,458 --> 01:21:24,379
<i>SO MANY THINGS IN LIFE
I WILL TELL THIS STORY</i>

1008
01:21:26,006 --> 01:21:28,466
- Okay, man. Put it on the table.
- Of course, of course!

1009
01:21:28,758 --> 01:21:31,344
I'll just give one
seasoned here and we take it.

1010
01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:34,723
- He picked up? Could it be.
- Come, mother, come and eat.

1011
01:21:34,806 --> 01:21:38,101
- Uh, do you want some?
- Great, yes I want it. You're not ready, are you?

1012
01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:41,396
- I felt like it.
- Cool.

1013
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,148
- Look at this!
- �.

1014
01:21:44,107 --> 01:21:46,234
- Do you need a little more?
- Ah.

1015
01:21:46,318 --> 01:21:47,611
- No, this is already good.
- Oh!

1016
01:21:47,694 --> 01:21:48,694
What did you bring,
mother? Let me see, wait.

1017
01:21:48,695 --> 01:21:49,695
- Oh! Good, mom, thanks.
- That's pretty, huh? Let's use it.

1018
01:21:49,738 --> 01:21:50,738
Oops! Look there.

1019
01:21:51,948 --> 01:21:53,825
What do we have there?

1020
01:21:53,909 --> 01:21:55,785
- Use it. Look.
- How wonderful, huh? Beautiful thing.

1021
01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:59,205
- Hmm, you're beautiful, huh? Smellful.
- You can mess around here, okay?

1022
01:21:59,289 --> 01:22:02,834
- Wow, now I'm going to finish myself.
- How delicious, huh?

1023
01:22:02,918 --> 01:22:05,795
- Hmm.
- Here, oops, wait.

1024
01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:11,468
- Hmm, it's really good.
- Hum-hum.

1025
01:22:11,551 --> 01:22:14,471
It's too good to count.

1026
01:22:14,554 --> 01:22:17,515
- No, no need, no. For me, it's great.
- Just get it here. Okay, take it.

1027
01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:18,390
- Here.
- Look, ten years later, every day I

1028
01:22:18,391 --> 01:22:19,391
Oh!

1029
01:22:21,227 --> 01:22:26,524
I ask what, what will happen.
Always with an open mind, anyway,

1030
01:22:26,608 --> 01:22:30,236
knowing that today,
I gained two more brothers.

1031
01:22:34,074 --> 01:22:37,327
WHEN WILLIAM FINDS
THERE IS A HUGE SURPRISE

1032
01:22:37,410 --> 01:22:41,206
AND THE STORY WAS DISCOVERED
THAT EVERYONE NOW KNOWS

1033
01:22:41,289 --> 01:22:44,834
AND THE STORY WAS DISCOVERED
THAT EVERYONE NOW KNOWS

1034
01:22:46,169 --> 01:22:50,006
TODAY PROUDLY REUNITED
EVERYONE ENJOYS LIFE

1035
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:53,259
<i>ALL WELL BY THE PARENTS
THE FAMILY HAS GROWN</i>

1036
01:22:53,343 --> 01:22:57,263
<i>TODAY THEY ARE THE PRIDE OF LA PAZ
AND HISTORY IS NOT FORGOTTEN.</i>

1037
01:22:57,347 --> 01:23:01,059
<i>TODAY THEY ARE THE PRIDE OF LA PAZ
AND HISTORY IS NOT FORGOTTEN.</i>